The long overdue debate on policy towards the all-pervasive surveillance of our on-line activities is finally under way. On Monday morning the Shadow Home Secretary moved on from the "trust us" policy of the last Government with regard to state surveillance. On Monday evening a Conservative Technology Forum round table identified a clear way forward with regard to improving the governance of the surveillance done by the state and law enforcement but not with regard to the more frightening situation regarding the private sector and consumer devices. It  heard that the terms and conditions of widely sold smart (i.e. Internet enabled) TVs include permission for data on your viewing habits to be transmitted to anywhere in the world. It was told of the break up of a couple after a friend warned them of the default tracking settings on their iPhones (they took a look and it became apparent that one of them was spending rather a lot of time at a particular location when they said they were ....).